Posts by New Worldly Translation

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Leaving without the internet.

by unique1 in

my husband mentioned to me this morning that he was glad i had this resource and some support to help me through this.

he also made the comment: can you imagine trying to leave without the internet?

that got me thinking, it is hard now, how much harder was it back then, before the internet.

I don't think I could have properly left without the internet and sites like this one and freeminds etc. I had already started the fade before I researched on the internet but it was a one foot in the org & one out sort of thing. The stuff I found out subsequently on the web put the tin lid on it so to speak and made sure which side of the fence I was standing. Knowledge is the key to freedom.

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Does this make any sense?

by elliej in

okay, this is even confusing for me, so please try to bear with me.. i am working on a "presentation" to give to a jw family member to defend myself when the fade comes up.

i want it to be something that will make them think and this is what i have come up with.. this person believes in the whole 1914 chronology bible prophecy crap and can't believe this isn't the truth when they are so right about the date.

but i see a flaw with the way it was calculated and i need input to tell me whether i'm cracked or this might really work- get him to think.. according to the wts, "in prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each... so the kings "seven times," or seven years, were 360 days multiplied by 7, or 2,520 days.

New Worldly Translation

I know what you're saying with the calculations but I think the problem lies in that when the WTS calculate the prophecy once they get to 2,520 years after the day for a year stuff they don't break down that figure any further. 2,520 years is the final figure to count forward from 607 regardless of how many days are in those years.

I'd say to them that trying to divine dates from ancient texts, including the bible, is defined as occultism.

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Basic Doctrines

by mystified in

i have not read the other posts yet.

i'm assuming, before reading, that this an anti-jehovah's witness site.

i would just like to make a couple of points, and would be interested in responses to them.

New Worldly Translation

I would post a reply to your evidence but you haven't provided any. The only evidence you have given is evidence of your own faith in the scriptures and of God establishing theoctratic rule on earth.
Also if it's the same statement I heard recently by a prominent clergyman the context in which he said he didn't advocate a theocracy was that he didn't advocate men setting up a theocracy on behalf of God.

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Bart Erhman, transformation complete?

by peacefulpete in

bart began as a fundamentalist like ourselves but in time his studious nature led him to critical bible scholarship.

his books are viewed as authoritative.

in an interesting interview he recounts this transformation and hints that he has finally left the conviction that there ever was a historical jesus, or that personage/s whose lives are reflected in certain episodes in the legend served merely as sources for the jesus character.

New Worldly Translation

His experience is very much like Joseph Wheless, an ex-minister, who lost his faith in the bible after indepth study of it. He wrote his book 'Is It God's Word?' early last century and it was banned for quite a few decades. If you've got an ebook reader you can get it here http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ataru/ebooks.htm

Most of the authors like Ehrman have trod ground already furrowed by Wheless. Writings by Robert Ingersoll are also excellent, especially considering the time they were written.

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Best, worst and weirdest assembly halls...

by Jamelle in

jw
friends

a recent thread about the experience of attending the 1969 convention as a young child really started me thinking.

i have several fuzzy memories of assemblies i attended as very young child.

this got me onto the track of the rather odd, uncomfortable or even really cool buildings i have visited over the years as a result of those conventions.. so my questions to everyone are:.

New Worldly Translation

The assembly hall in Manchester is really ugly, it has these circular things on the wall, and wierd tubing kind of thing on the stage, it definately could do with a make over.

Yeah Ellie Northenden was a weird place. I think those designs were supposed to be art deco from the 20's but they looked like strange giant aspirins on the wall. My cousins grandad used to do the icecreams there every year so we'd get first dibs, which was about the only good thing about it. Oh the seats were pretty comfy as well. They were those old fashioned padded tip up seats. Did you ever used to walk down to the river on a lunchtime and look round that camping/caravaning park that sold tents and camping equipment? That's my abiding memory of Manchester assembly

The worst assembly I went to was Don Valley in Sheffield. It rained non stop and cos only about 10% of the crowd had cover everyone got soaked and if you put your brolly up you ended up soaking the crotch area of the person sat behind as the rain ran off it.

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Who would have thought - France and UK friends

by stillajwexelder in

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http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=adimarticle&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=4023&id=2500007&d=20060306&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252

so france and the uk are in another joint defence deal - building aircraft carriers together this time -old enemies becoming old friends!

New Worldly Translation

With hard work from the French and our ability to manage a large project we can't go wrong

Gotta have something to land all those expensive eurofighters on I suppose.

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Last king of the north - Russia

by TheListener in

from the 2005 cdrom there are plenty of references to russia being the king of the north.

this starts, as far as i found, at least as early as 1960. what is more difficult to locate are articles that imply that russia is the last kofn.

if anyone has any handy please paste them.

New Worldly Translation

I remember in our cong around '91 when the first Iraq war was starting there was a hell of a lot of specualtion about it being the new King of the North. I don't think it came from the WTS but a CO did mention it in one of his talks which is what started the rumour off. Everyone thought it was fitting that it was the original location of Babylon.

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Funny quotes from PL2PR

by IP_SEC in

supplements to awake!

university.. from paradise lost to paradise regained.. pg 10 para 5. after a very long time the earth began to cool.

and as it slowly cooled it changed from a ball of fiery gasses to a ball of hot boiling liquid.

New Worldly Translation

Yeah I remember that book as a kid. It had a picture of the flood on the inside cover with dinosaurs on it!

One thing that I remember vividly was a drawing of the earth with a water canopy around it. I remember at the time not liking that picture and turning the page quickly.

At the back was a series of drawings with householders reacting in various ways to door to door sermons. Me and my mum used to practice going on the doors by knocking on the book as if it was a door and taking the part of one of the characters.

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